Just about all preachers today teach contrary to the Word of God. Take a tour of the churches around any community and ask those professional ‘Men of Gawd’ what is required to enter into eternal life. Here is a sampling of the expert teaching you will discover:

You can lose your salvation.

You can’t lose your salvation.

You are sealed until the day of redemption, provided your works indicate you were saved in the first place.

If you lose your salvation, you can repent and be saved a second time.

If you lose your salvation, you can never be saved again.

You must speak in tongues, indicating that you have the indwelling Holy Spirit.

God decides who is redeemed and who is damned by His divine pleasure.

You have to be repent and be water baptized to be saved.

You don’t have to be water baptized as it is an outward sign of an inward change.

You can only be saved through the church that has direct lineage to the original apostles.

The lineage of the original church was broken; you have to be saved through the lineage of the modern prophet, Joseph Smith.

These preachers don’t seem to care a whit about God’s truth. They teach heresy with much pride and arrogance, wearing purple robes and collecting money in the name of Jesus. They won’t take a stand for THE FAITH and have substituted all variations of man’s religion in its place.

Hector

this dude needs Jesus in his heart. how dare you put down churches in this town, read your bible and read what you need to know about being saved... john 3 :16. you also show no love for your fellow brothers or sisters... shame on you... judge not least ye be judged.there are lots of great churches in this town that do wonderful things for God's ministry and for the community.... you sound like a jim jones cult person to me...

Actually, the Jim Jones type cult persons are those who are running most churches. So tell me, Corn, did you receive salvation by a blessing from the priest or were you filled with the Holy Spirit as witnessed by your speaking an ‘unknown tongue’?

Does it matter? Apparently not to you and not to many others, but I assure you it matters a great deal to God. The Word of God tells us the preachers of false doctrine are accursed. (Going to the BAD PLACE)

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Should we question (judge) the teachers of false doctrine? He who refuses to discern good from evil is already in dire straits.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

There are very few brothers and sisters in Christ. The way is narrow and few are those who will find it. Don’t be surprised that few will find it.

Hector

i got my salavation from the grace of God when he sent his son to die on the cross so i might live. i asked jesus into my life, to help me and forgive me of my sins.... no man saved me, no unuterred tongue saved me, JESUS saved me...
im can discern and i know in my heart that what you are doing is of the devil... your a cultist pure and simple...and when you get in front of the Lord God you will be accountable for any you lead astray with this hate...

there is only one way to the Father in HEaven, and that is through his son JESUS CHRIST.... not by any man or tongue, it is though the accepting JESUS as your savior.... YOU DONT KNOW PEOPLES HEARTS. so who are you to Judge, are you without sin? no, no one is.... we repent and jesus is fatih and just to forgive us our sins...its through the blood of Christ that we are saved.....he died so we may live, how hard is that for you to understand? you realize you will be held accountable for all you mislead with your twisted religion.... i cant believe they keep letting you on here. your a cultist....

One thing I have learned over the years is that religion has always been a touchy subject. Thats why Churches have broken into so many different directions. We all have our opinions and should be able to speak them. Thats the american way! All I ask is that everyone be polite to each other when they do. I think we can all disagree about something without name calling. While were talking about religon we should also never forget what it means to be an American!

Al Jordan

ok maybe i shouldnt have called the dude a corn flake.... and believe me i know what it is to be an american.my family has served and are serving this country so we can have the freedoms we have. but this dude has gotten on here to many times and has bashed the local churches... churches that have done many great things in this town... that have helped many people in this town.... check out how many churches that this guy is saying are going to hell that have helped our community... from the food pantry to helping the poor to our own hospital that is catholic that has done many charitable acts for the people of elwood... just because freedom of speech is part of the american way, it does not make it ok to downtrod other churches, especially ones that have made such a difference in Elwood.
and he is showing all the signs of being a cultist... saying his beliefs are the only one that is right... everyone is going to hell, from baptist to pentecostal to catholic, he has bashed them all on here. i find him to be an embarassment to the elwood community and to elwood indiana .org.....

“I think we can all disagree about something without name calling.”

I agree wholeheartedly, It is a usual response however, that when a Saint uses Bible scripture to define Bible doctrine, there are a lot of people who have been taught contrary to the Word of God and they respond in a way that reveals their true colors.
51Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
54When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
As we can see in this forum, people haven’t changed much in the last 2000 years. Some would kill me just as they did the O.T. prophets, the apostles and even Jesus. They cannot tolerate scripture and when they have no defense against it, they resort to hatred, name-calling and murder. Not surprising because they follow their preachers and their father.

There is ONE FAITH, ONE LORD and ONE BAPTISM. Compare that to the many faiths, multiple deities, and additional baptisms for some insight into discerning the counterfeits. Probably the most dangerous place you can be is on a pew in most any of the Satanic Churches that teach a damning, twisted gospel message.

Hector

"...many churches that this guy is saying are going to hell that have helped our community... from the food pantry to helping the poor..."

I agree, it is good to give food to the hungry and to help the community. But do you realize that the "Hell's Angels Motorcycle Club" has a charitable toy drive every Christmas for the kids? So does that make them a Godly organization? It's good P.R.

God doesn't say that a man is saved by giving alms to the poor. God says that a man's good works cannot create righteousness; that to Him they are as 'dirty rags' (translated from the Greek as menstrual cloths). Anyone who lifts up ‘good works’ as his ticket into Heaven should read some scripture.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

i know where i stand with God. and i love this town and there are plenty God fearing folk here that love the lord. im just glad im not in your shoes. this is a waste of time.... you are not a saint by any means, you need Christ in your heart... thats all i have to say to you... once again to the moderator, im all for freedom of speech, but when it comes to the point that it attacks people, and the churches in our town and our community, dont you think it is time to put a stop to this? if a bigot came on here and put all kinds of racial slurs on here would that be ok because of freedom of speech? NO!! if you go over what this person has wrote he has bashed the whole community with his hate. to me there is no difference in what he is doing and the nazi propaganda against the jews that was spewed out during WW11. he has attacked the catholic church, the baptist church, the pentacostal church and more then that im sure.... and to compare the generious giving of the local churches to the needy here in town to hells angels??? maybe its time someone brought all this to the attention of the churches here in town what is being put on this web site.... i for one will not be a member to this if he is still allowed to say all the evil things he has on here, and i will go to everyone i know and tell them about this, the local pastors and city officals and friends and community leaders and tell them to check out what is going on on here. its a shame......

Well tony, He just sounds like someone who reads the scriptures and doesn't like whats going on in the world with people & churches in general. So what? It's just an opinion. You say he's bashing everybody with hate? He seems to have been pretty polite about explaining his views so far. When you say your for freedom of speech, then that means he has his right to his opinions. All freedom of speech is, is the right to talk about the crap people don't want to hear about. So if you want to tell all the churches and pastors ect. that some guy on a website that doesn't go to their church anyway, was disagreeing with how they handled their churches beliefs then I'm sure most of them will say, so what. Its just his opinion. You know, being an administrator is not always an easy job. Sometimes you have to deal with subjects that you lose either way you go with. Oh well. Thats life :)

ok, so your the administrator on here, and you said if the local leaders of the churchs, or even as i had said, the community read what this guy it saying about the local churches, they would say "so what?" i dont agree. you know why, because by having a site called elwood indiana . org you are responsible for what is put on here. say someone is looking to move to this town. say a christian family no matter what church they attend, but lets say one this guy has mentioned, they type in elwood indiana in the search engine, your site is the first one that comes up. and they read what this guy has wrote about every church in this town, do you think that helps or henders the local community. i think it does matter. and the whole freedom of speech thing, bull pucky.... right now what i write has to be aproved by the moderator. which is a good thing, but it is sensorship... which in itself is not printing everyone's views or opinions. look, i think what you have done here is great for the community,but with that comes a responsiblity to our community because you have the power of representation of our community. i went into a search engine, i typed in elwood indiana and your site elwoodindiana.org was the first one on the list. but i dont think it is great that some cultist can get on here and because of his right to freedom of speech and put down something that has been such a possitive thing for our community... it would be different if your web site was computer dude or jordans, but it isnt, it is a represention of this community. and with that come reposiblity to what is written on here.... tonya jacobs

I have been reading these posts and felt like it was time to say something, I am a Christian and I believe in God & love Jesus, but I feel this has gone just a little to far. The Lord I love, preaches tolerance, Love and compassion, He has given us free will to choose what we believe and how we decide to practice that belief. Now I'm not taking anyones side in this matter, Everyone has the right to there own interpretation of Gods Word, and I wont pretend to know who is right and who is wrong, Thats a question only God can answer and he will on judgment day, untill that time It is not our place to judge how other believe. Where I believe this has gotten out of hand is by attacking the administrator. He has built this web site for the whole community, and this man is a part of that community, as i have read these posts i don't see where he has said anything about the churches here in our community, he is talking about all churches in general. The administrator has allowed him to post his opinions as he does all of us, He monitors the posts to make sure the content is not verbally offensive to anyone and there are no personal attacks on anyone or any organization in our community. That is his job. Its not to censer one persons opinion over anothers, and I fell he should be commended for what he has done for this community with this web site, not condenmed.

from what hector has written, he has nothing good to say about churches in general. he has called them satanic and set back and judged them...go back and read what he has written. he has included about every church denomination in our community in here. i find that offensive. he grabs a few scriptures and twists them for his own views. as for the moderator, i havent attacked him,i think it great that he has done this for our town. i just disagreed with him on letting this man on here to write his hate propaganda. i mean come on, this guy compares our local churches to hells angels? i feel like this has been a slap in the face to every local church in this community. i know you dont get into heaven by works, but come on, you know how many different chuches work together in this community? how many of they helped out for the coats for kids, and it wasnt a PR thing, nobody was saying im from this church and look what im doing, most of the christian folks that i seen there that are from different chuches never said anything about their church while helping the needy. they were their doing work for the lord that God put on their hearts to do. if it wasnt for the local churches no one would be working hardly at the food pantry, and the ministeral group with the different pastors in town every year help out so many families that cant meet their electic or heating bills or help out with christmas and thanksgiving. so yes, i am very offended by this man.... i think he sets in judgement of the community churches. i attend a local church that he blasted. it offends me, i have attended other churches he has blasted, i also am offended by that. i have friends that are of other churches in town, i am offended for them. i have worked for our local hospital and seen the charitable works they have done, and i am also offended for them. but then i seen the friends list and hectors name was on it, so why am i not surprised.... BOTTOM LINE go ahead let all this trash be written about our local churches,just goes to show how little is know about our local churches and how many are striving for the same goal, to help teach and lead people to Jesus, to show the love of Christ, and for us all to be better people through the love of Christ.

On a community website, the community is going to talk about things others don't like sometimes but thats just part of life. If a post is slanderious or against the law then yes, I have to remove it but this post is clearly neither. When he talks, its in general terms not just here. Its simply his opinion and he is a member of this community just as you are so therefore he has the same right to speak as you do. When you talk about my responsibility remember that my responsibility must be fair to everyone in the community and that elwoodindiana.org must be a fair representation of everyone in the community.
Al Jordan

As Mr Jordan said there is really nothing that is slanderous or it would not be posted. You Ms. Jacobs have stated your opinion and so has Hector. Lets move on!!!!!

Hector, If things in this community are not to your liking you happen to live in a country that allows you the freedom to leave it. If you don't like how things are going here then by all means go elsewhere. You have the right as an american, which was given to you by the people in service of this country, to leave; the community, the state, and/or the country for that matter. If you don't like the churches here; again go elsewhere. You've been afforded that freedom by millions of people who have fought for and died for this nation. You can practice whatever religion you'd like to practice. For the most part you won't be harassed about it (unless you profess to be a Christian it seems). You've been granted that right by someone else who was willing to fight for it FOR YOU. So by all means, if you're not happy look for your happiness elsewhere with my blessing. Mr. Tony Jacobs

“… i am very offended by this man.... i think he sets in judgement of the community churches.”

Israel was VERY OFFENDED by God’s prophets. They were SO offended, they KILLED them. The religious majority were very offended by Jesus. He had the audacity to take a stand according to scripture AGAINST the traditional corrupt religion.

People are very offended when I agree with God that there is ONE faith, not many:

(Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, Church of Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Methodist, Wesleyan, Pilgrim Holiness, Episcopal, Lutheran, etc., etc. ad infinitum.)

EPH 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; EPH 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
People are offended when I agree with God that their good works do not create righteousness:

ROM 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The preachers go 10 miles out of their way to avoid offending people. They quickly compromise the Word of God to be made popular with men. That is where they get their money. So you see, people are not accustomed to being offended by God or by His doctrine and they are very intolerant of scripture that casts light onto their heresy. Mans nature has not changed in 6000 years. Taking a stand for God will NOT make you popular! You can expect to receive the same as the prophets and the apostles. (If I really wanted approval and friends more than salvation, I would go join a church!)

The Word of God is VERY OFFENSIVE.. (The 2 edged sword) They didn’t KILL Jesus because His words were not offensive.
Having said that, do you think the prophets ENJOYED offending people? Do you think I enjoy offending people? I assure you, if we were talking about anything of a lesser magnitude that our eternal existence, we would just forget all about eternity with Jesus and go have dinner at La Charreada, be friends and it would be much more pleasant for all of us.
As a fact, my sister asked me once; “Why witness to people when you know it is only going to make them mad? Most people are naturally offended when you offer anything that conflicts with their personal beliefs. Just keep your mouth shut and save yourself and them a lot of grief.”
Actually, the gospel message is very offensive by its very nature. It would indeed be much easier to shut up and never discuss it but once you learn the seriousness of it (which is life & death), it is very difficult to stand by and watch others unwittingly go to their demise. To illustrate, I offered this metaphor:

Visualize the World Trade Tower # 1 on 9/11. The first plane has crashed into the upper floors of the building and people are in a chaotic scramble down the stairways. Then building security announces on the P.A. system;
“Please return to your work positions. The situation is under control and the integrity of the building is not at risk. I repeat; all personnel please return to your work positions.”

You shout to the people as they turn to go back up the stairs, “This building will be reduced to powder and you will be killed! Get out of here as quickly as you can!” The people ignore your warnings and become very offended that you would contradict the word of these “trained, authorized professionals” and they continue back to their desks to ride the towers down into oblivion.
Most of us, given this scenario, would continue to shout warnings in hope that even one person might believe and be saved. Even if they all became angry and the trained professionals threatened you, it would be difficult for us to just “shut up” and go away.

Tony said, “…i think he sets in judgement of the community churches.”
My response: YOU BET I DO! They are teaching contrary to scripture! (For example: If the teaching of salvation by the Roman Catholic church is TRUE… then the others HAVE to be LIARS! The same as with Baptists and Church of Christ, etc.) They are destroying my friends and my family (and you) for their own worldly gain. Sure, we can all wait and see them at judgment day, but by that time YOU ARE already committed and you ARE going to get on the bus with them. If you are offended, I offer no apology. Neither do I revel in your anger.

lol, yeah ok so your the only person that GETS IT. and all the rest of us are going to hell on THE BUS.... see thats how cults go, they think they are the only ones.... oh and in case anyone is wondering my husband and i are both responding to this person. tony husband, tonya me. and you see, i am taking a stand on this for God. i think your a wolf in sheeps clothing... so answer me this, if all the churches listed are going to hell and their pastors are satanists, as you have stated in the past on here, what church do you go to? do you even attend church at all? you are reminding me of a cult church i know of. one that preaches everyone else is wrong and your way is the only way...thats how cults run...do you refuse to hang out with all people that do not believe as you do? and that incudes family, dude, i got your number now... you set there and judge with hate towards others. knowing Jesus is knowing love. well at least you finally come out and named about every denomination here in elwood. you need to pick the plank out of your eye instead of picking the splinters out of others. examine yourself to be worthy.
john 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his inly begooten son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE!!! and that my friend is Christs words...
or yeah i love this one,
these are also Christs words,
My sheep hear my voice and i know them, and they follow me... And i give them eternal life and they shall never perish; neither shall ANYONE snatch them out of MY hand. My father has given them to me is greater then all; and NO ONE is able to snatch them out of My fathers hand.
john 10:27-29.
I dont know where along the line you have evedently been lead astray or hurt by a church, but i do hope that you learn to really get to know Christ and his love and get right before its to late...
tonya jacobs

I’m going to say something here that is VERY important!
Are we LISTENING?

ANY TIME YOU CHANGE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SALVATION, YOU HAVE CREATED ANOTHER COUNTERFEIT.

Why is this SO difficult to understand?
There is ONE Lord.
There is ONE faith. ONE (1)
There is ONE baptism.
There! Now let’s say it all together… ONE.

If you change SALVATION, you are into something else.
If you are into something else, get aboard the bus.

Hector

who changed them? how is that any different then what the church teaches? are you talking about the trinity? water baptism? what?

Your eternity depends on how you answer that question!
Are we not "safe in church"? Friend if you don't know Christ you're not safe ANYWHERE, even in church! Without Christ you'll perish for eternity in a place called Hell. You must be "born again".
Hector, your stand for Christ and His truth is admirable. I found your views in line with the scriptures. I know because, like you, I've read it in the Bible for myself!
With respect, many of the views shared by the other readers show a lack of understanding (and reading) of the scriptures.
Regretably, many of our mainline denominations across our country are NOT preaching the Gospel of the scriptures.
And like it our not, there are some churches, preachers and teaches who are dangling the souls of their members over the very pits of Hell. Either by not teaching the salvation plan or preaching a world view of it, either one is extemely dangerous. However it's not fair to hold our church, preacher or teacher completely responsible (though they will answer to God for how they handled His word) each of us share a responsibility to search and know the scripture for ourselves. Being a "Baptist, Pentacostal, Catholic or other denomination has no influence on where we'll spend our eternity. Not even being a good person can get us into Heaven. (Look it up, it's in the Book) John 14:6 Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me."
It's sad to say but there are many really good folks who have done wonderful things sitting next to us in our church pew who will not be going to Heaven. (And likewise there are people on the street that will be going to Heaven much to our surprise!) It's all based on whether we "know" Christ and have a personal relationship with Him. Just going to church doesn't get you into Heaven.
Some say you're judgemental Hector! (Yet they're judging you a cultist!) As believers of Christ, we're obligated to judge others, but only by the scripture and not by "our standards". For instance, if a pastor is preaching a false Gospel, it's the duty of believers to point it out. (using scripture!) If Hector is spreading a false doctrine prove if from the scriptures!
Here's a challenge to those who find these viewpoints offensive. If you're doubting what Hector, and others like him are saying, pick up the bible and see what the truth is according to God's word. If Hector (or anyone) is wrong THEN show him from God's word. But get the facts, and from one source, the Bible. You may may be surprised what you find!
I hope you don't just "know about God" but instead you "know God". If not. Seek Him, you'll find Him. Repent of your sin, ask Christ to be your Lord and Savior, trust Him alone. Become a member of a bible believing church and find His will for your life.
When you find the truth (Jesus), it will set you free! God Bless You and America.

You cannot ask the administrator to censor a poster because you don't like what they say. The admin defended his position admirably and, in my opinion, would be wrong to censor anything in this thread.

The fact that his site represents Elwood is no different than a letter to the editor in the local paper speaking out against something local.

I'm a Christian person myself but I also believe organized religion can get about as far from Christ-like as it gets. Politics in church is one example of that. Those two things do not belong together but they are and it gets worse. What's even more hypocritical is that the church is brainwashed into thinking the Republican party is the party of high moral standards. Nothing could be further from the truth but they take up the abortion issue just to bolster the votes and church goers eat that up.

We live in a screwed up world and it is imperative that we speak up for what we think is right and against what we believe is wrong. Even when we disagree and even at the risk of sounding unpatriotic.

We all need to take a broad look at what goes on around us and start thinking critically about what needs to be done before we wake up one day and wonder what's happened to our Country and our world.

if you review the whole conversation on this matter you would know i have already answered that. several times. what i find offensive is stating that our local churches are misleading people and they are all going to hell. and saying our local pastors are satanists. does he know the hearts of every pastor in our town? or even the world? who is he or you to judge any man or woman? isnt that God's job? especially when you dont even know the person and have no idea what is being preached in the pulpit... this is just another anti church propaganda thing. its ok not to go to church, its ok not to hang out with brothers and sisters and spread the gospel of Jesus, its not ok to help the needy in jesus name, because then your compared to hells angels..... thats what i have found offensive.and for your information i do know God, I have repended of my sins and i do go to a bible believing church and elwood has bible believing churches. so im already free, yes free indead....

my church doesnt tell its congragation how to vote. as far as i know they havent preached on anything as far as who you should vote for. that is everyones personal preference, i myself would not vote for someone who trys to push abortion because i think its wrong, but i dont tell other people how to vote, thats everyones right.and they have to answer for what they decide to God not me... but when you get on here and start throwing stones at churches that you more then likely havent even been to and start passing judgment on all churches and exspect nothing to be said, well thats where your wrong. im defending my church, i defending churches i have visited. there are some churches that may be misleading, but for the most part in this town i think there are alot of great men and women of God. i go to a great church, that has a wonderful minister. so you all can keep blasting away at the local churches, but i will just keep coming right back at ya.... have a great day!oh and sense you said you are a Christian, then you should know Murder is wrong....

i believe in God the father the Son and the Holy Spirit. i believe in water baptism.i believe that Jesus died so we may live. and i have accepted him as my personal savior. i dont just know about God, but have a relationship with him, so yes i know him. i read and study Gods word almost everyday, ( i may have missed a few days but hardly ever.) and i talk with him and give him thanks for all he has done for me in my life... NEVER did i say just going to church would get you into heaven. what im tired of is the persecustion of the Churchs that are doing Gods work. how can you judge every church in this town if you havent been to them and have no idea what is being preached?i am defending people i know in church and pastors i know in this town that i know have a close relationship with the Lord. how do i know, because if their fruits. now i never once said church would save you, but you know thats where most people come to know the Lord. Thats where alot of folks hear about God for the first time. As in the day of Noah, thats like what we are living in now....persicution of the Churches, of Christianity, of prayer, of the ten commandments. everything has become exceptable but God....

You’re correct that I haven’t visited all the churches and personally met all the preachers. I don’t even know their names and I don’t consider that of any great importance. Two major ways to discern (judge) good and evil is to 1) compare their ‘church’ doctrine against the Word of God and 2) talk with the man on the street that attends there. I am often amazed at how little is known of these ‘churches’ by people having lived across from them for dozens of years.

I don’t need to attend the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses to know they teach that Jesus is not God or any part of the Godhead. According to their church doctrine, Jesus is the ‘2nd Adam’( a creation OF God). I have never been inside a Kingdom Hall or met one of their preachers. However, I HAVE studied to learn their doctrine and I HAVE met a great number of folks who have studied under these preachers. They’re frequently canvassing the neighborhoods because if they don’t work, they aren’t going to the promised land.

Likewise we know who the Calvinists are and we understand the 5 points of their T-U-L-I-P. They teach that God decided if He loved you before you were born and that Jesus did NOT die for everyone. They teach that Jesus’sacrifice was not provided as restitution for the sins of Pharaoh, for Saul or for Judas (and obviously not for YOU if you don’t attend their church). The heresy of John Calvin is very widespread among many denominations of Satanic churches. Have I met and listened to all the Calvinists preachers before I discerned (judged) their evil as compared to the Word of God? Hardly.

The Unitarian Universalist preachers teach that God is so loving that he wouldn’t create a terrible place like Hell and that all reference to it is just figurative speech. They don’t believe anybody is going to Hell and that it is only for us to love each other. Again, that doesn’t fly when compared to scripture in my Bible. Are all these preachers going to Heaven because they don’t believe in Hell? According to the KJV, there is a special place awaiting these ‘men of god.’

The Catholic Church teaches that all the Protestants are going to Hell because the Apostolic Lineage from Peter, down through the generations of popes to the present day exists only in the ‘true’ church. Having no Apostolic Lineage, all protestant churches lack the divine power to save anybody.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that members of all other churches are destined for Hell. The reason is because their concept of salvation also requires that there must be a ‘divine spark’ handed down from each generation but they contend that the Catholics lost theirs and the Apostolic Lineage was broken. It is only through the Mormon Church that the divine spark of salvation was restored to planet earth according to their preachers. All the other churches are ‘dead’ and have no power to save anyone. Have I met and talked with the local Mormon preachers? No. Do I really need to?

There isn’t really enough room here to list them all. That said, it is not impossible that some people from each of these churches might possibly learn and believe the gospel of their salvation and be saved by reading their Bible. If they do become members of the Body of Christ, they become a peculiar person; a new man in Christ and they need to ‘come out from among them.’ (What has light in common with darkness?) If they were to be saved and share their faith to those in the churches, they wouldn’t need to worry long about ‘coming out from among them;’ the preachers would assist them quickly to the door. The way is narrow and few will find it. I hope to help anyone who might be willing.

Hector

i sure didnt see you listing the main stream churches again that you listed before, like the baptist, pentecostal, weslyan, church of god etc.... face it your anti- church... thats fine thats your decision. sure dont see anyone from these main stream churches saying much so im done with all this... your the one who has to stand before God and answer like the rest of us for the things you do. all i know Christ coming is soon and i think there will be some surprised people... either hot or cold. luke warm isnt going to make it...

Oh brother. I also know of many other things that are wrong and the so-called moral high grounders on the right are claiming Jesus as their own while they rape and pillage our treasury and the working middle class of this Country. Voting for a politician who wants to overturn R. Vs W. while he sells the Country down the river is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Additionally, if R. vs W. were overturned then abortion laws would fall back to the states and most states are pro-choice. So much for saving the world. Wanna' stop a murder? Don't murder.

One single issue is all it takes for war mongering neo cons to garner the votes necessary to remain in power and sell this Country down the river and do it in the name of all that is good.

The hypocrisy makes me sick. Personally, I think every American who wants to vote should have to pass a civics test before they vote because too many voters are too ignorant to know what they are voting for and all we get is the status quo. Screwed.

seperation of church and state, remember? and because what i wrote you assume im republican.wwwrrrooonnngggg!!!! just goes to show what you know.... man you need to go back to the beginning of this and read what this whole thing is about. this dude is against every church organization there is.... the only right way is his way and everyone else is on the BUS TO HELL... thats what the dude is saying...
as for war mongering, see go back and read, my son is right now in the army protecting your rights, so lets not go there ok...
hypocrisy? yeah lets talk about that one, you claim to be a Christian, but then think its ok to support abortion.... to me that is hypocrisy.
as for voting, you dont like how it is, why dont you move to north korea or china and see how much of a say you get....
you want to blame it all on the republicans? its every party, most of all of them are corrupt. our forfathers are turning in their graves im sure if they seen what is happening to this country.... you can not just blame one party... they are both guilty of corruption. there is good and bad on both sides. i myself think someone who isnt rich and has had to live the life of an everyday joe or joey whould be the best man or woman for the job.... but that isnt going to happen.
but see, now we are two of the most agumentative subjects there are..... politics and religion..... not two many people see eye to eye on that. and for you to say to many voters are too ignorant to know what they are voting for, that is just a comunistic statement... you sound like big brother and want to decide what is best because you all the all mighty oz.... but in reality you are just a plain ol person behind the curtain trying make yourself seem better then everyone else. FREEDOM, FREEDOM, FREEDOM...we all have that choice, and it is not for you to decide who anyone votes for president, that is not your concern.

Separation of church and state. State has now been fully infiltrated by both church and corporate interests. We can argue that if you want but this is well established and getting worse. Both of those interests are heavily courted by the Republican party. Dems are guilty but to a far lesser degree. I am neither.

I am a Christian and I am not a supporter of abortion. Iv'e never had one and it's true that thpse who have need only to ask for forgiveness and they will be forgiven. Most women who get them don't take it lightly and are not automatically damned to hell for it. Ours is, as you know, a forgiving God.

I cannot stand North Korea or China or any other Communist regime so don't call me a Communist. See my avatar? It's a slam at WalMart for their Communist ties to the Chinese Gov't.

Your son is in the Army. He has my admiration and support. I am not a supporter of the Iraq war. I think it's an illegal war and it reminds me of the 9/11/73 coup in Chile under the Nixon regime in many ways. The truth is that Saddam was no more brutal than the Saudi Royals but we ignore that. Did you see in the news this week about the girl who was whipped and given 6 months in prison for being the victim of a gang rape??? And what do we do about that? Or the fact that 13 of 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's. We invade Iraq? WMD's? Nope, not there. Even the IAEA sais they were not a threat. Saudi Arabia is the enemy and we're holding hands with them. Click here for hand holding pics. It'll turn your stomach to see all those pictures of GW Bush holding hands with Crown Prince Abdullah.

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Do you see us in Sierra Loenne or The Congo rescuing millions from brutal dictators? Nope. Not enough oil for us to care.

The moral is that we're there for another reason. Oil. And we won't say squat to the Saudi's about their teaching their kids the Wahabi Islam teachings that include hating America. We can't justify invading them too so we'll just hold their hands and buy their oil.

Your son is doing what he is ordered to do and has the respect of nearly every American. That does not mean the war is just or that he's protecting my rights. In point of fact, the Bush Administration is watering down our rights as we speak. We have discovered that they are recording every E-mail and phone call that we make and that the phone companies are cooperating in exchange for favors in the area of telecom regulation. It's working out well for them and the Bush Administration and it stops on our right to privacy in ways we could never imagine. The list of illegal actions is long and we can discuss that too, if you like. I wish your son and all other military folks the very best and a safe return home.

As far as Republicans are concerened I have to say that this is not your father's Republican party. It has been infiltrated and taken over by a new neocon agenda that would have us privatizing our military. Eliminating necessary corporate regulation, Procatively starting wars, creating a debt never imagined in history that our kids and grandkids will have to deal with, etc. Speaking of the debt, you do realize that we are borrowing money from Communist China don't you? And we are fed this line of BS that tax breaks for the wealthiest among us are supposed to spur this economy. The working class is being sold down the river in the name of globalization and profit without even a thought as to the long term ramifications of our actions. Corporate America is outsourcing to Communist China to keep it's bottom line up so you can see the President pointing to the Dow Jones Industrial Average and telling you how great the economy is. It is hanging on by a thread.

The right is courting the rich with tax breaks, the religious with abortion issues, the gun owners with the threat that the left wants to take their guns, etc, etc. They can't get the votes on their own traditionsal conservative merits because people see through them. They have to court a bunch of hot button issue voters to keep them in power and it works. That's both sad and sick. Especially considering that they hold themselves in high moral esteem as they ruin this Country.

These things just defy logic and the last church we went to started getting political and telling people how they should vote. Ironically the modern day Republicans out there say they love the fetus while, at the same time, ignoring the child. Hypocrits.

And THAT, my friend, is why the church in general has got me upset to this degree.

hey you said alot i agree with you on as far as the war. i have yet to hear of any of the wealthy senate or congress men and women having their kids over there. and i dont undrstand why we went to iraq instead of going head strong into afganistan after 9/11. well i have my own thoughts on why and it think it has to do with money but thats me. thig is it wasnt just the repulician party that voted to do it, so did the democrates. they are all mostly quilty if you ask me. and you are quite right, if we were going to war on a humanatirian thing, then what about darfur? yes i suport our troops, like i said my son is in the army.
i dont particually care for our president, to me he has lied to the american people about most of this. but it was a democratic president that dropped the tax for all this free trade stuff going on, to me that burns my end. if you want an anerican made car now by toyota or honda because they are made in the usa. not ford or chevy anymore. those companies should be charged out the wazoo in takes for bring back cars or parts made in other countries. same goes with all our companies that would rather make stuff in a nother country then ship it back here to sell. we could use the jobs here.
main big business now in the usa is medical. they make a killing off the people so much so that families have to file bankruptcy or get their wages garnished even lose their homes, this country is in a mess and to me both parties have done it. i mean how straight of a canidate are you going to get when the person first of all has no idea how it is to live from pay check to pay check, then they have the lobbiests filling their pockets.... especially the drug companies. you know how many people just in my family dont get the care they need because of how exspensive it is to get the meds they need? test strips for diabetics, insulin etc... its horrible. my brother is a vet, he has gulf war sydrome. it has effected him nuralocgical, he is in pain all the time... and they cant (or wont) do anything for him.
and lets not even go into property taxes..... to me that is unconstiutional. you accually never really own the house.
my son informed me that they have sold american ports in virgina to middle eastern countries. how messed up is that? i didnt know america was for sale.
we need to take care of our own country frist.... and it isnt being done. but i think both parties are guilty in that. things are not how they were set up to be.
i mean what about the boston tea party? come on, this country is taxed to death, you have to pay tax on payday, then you have to pay tax on anything you buy, then you have to pay tax when you buy a car, and then are taxed for the gas you have to put in it. we in this country are being taxed to death!!!
thats why everyone should vote... i think most people are sick to death of all this coruption in the house and would like to see some honesty going on. but that isnt going to happen as long as its all about the parties and no one really deals about the true issues that effect real amercian people everyday.

Ever since Eisenhower, I have heard the same comment made every 4 years; “Do you mean out of all the people in the United States, these are the best two candidates we could find for president?” Certainly with 2 terms of Clintons and 2 more terms of the Bush family and now probably back to another term of Clintons, I can see the logic.

In 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply can not exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.

During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith; 2. from spiritual faith to great courage; 3. from courage to liberty; 4. from liberty to abundance; 5. from abundance to complacency ; 6. from complacency to apathy; 7. from apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back into bondage"

A hundred years from now, none of us are going to care a whit about Republicans and Democrats. We WILL still be concerned with our choice about Jesus and the gospel of our SALVATION for hundreds of thousands of years and beyond. You’ll be wishing you studied the scriptures and hadn’t spent your time on churchianity and politics.

Hector

not me, i'll be with the Lord Jesus then....